On May 10 at a rally to protest police brutality following the May 5 melee on Bostwick Avenue in Greenville, we briefly interviewed Hector Oseguera, candidate for Congress  in next week’s Democratic primary. Last week we reached out to Oseguera with some follow-up questions about his insurgent campaign but have not yet heard back.

Yesterday, Oseguera received a boost when Jersey City Ward E Councilman James Solomon endorsed him.

With the recent presumed primary victories of progressive candidates over establishment incumbents in New York, we thought publishing the interview now, despite the lack of follow-up, would serve our readers. We reached out to incumbent Albio Sires for an interview as well.

JCT: Tell me about yourself and what brought you out today.

HO: I’m running for congress in New Jersey’s 8^th district against a political boss, Albio Sires, who’s held this position for the better part of the last 14 years and doesn’t really have much of a presence in the district. Everybody I actually talk to tells me that he actually lives in Ft. Meyers [Florida], and I’m here supporting the brothers … who were disgusted by the incident of police brutality that happened just a couple of days ago.

When we put public trust in people, whether that be police officers or politicians, we have to hold their feet to the fire when incidents like this occur. And what I saw on video was clearly an act of brutality. I saw young men on the ground, face down, in a defensive position, being battoned. I saw what looked to me to be more of a WWF melee than an act of law and order. You can tell people to get on the ground, you can tell people to stop fighting, you can use words to de-escalate, you can even use physical strength to de-escalate. When I see people in a defensive position not fighting, taking a baton to the body, that looks like police brutality to me. And it’s an incident I think we’ve all seen repeated and repeated throughout history. And so when you see incidents like this, you know our communities are skeptical of somebody who says, “Well, he reached” because we’ve heard that excuse before. Well, he reached for a gun, he reached for whatever, he reached for a weapon. But the video honestly speaks for itself … I saw a man try to break up the fight and then have to retreat because he was being beaten by the police.

JCT: What should the mayor or public safety director do?

HO: The officers involved should be scrutinized. We should know if they’ve been involved in other incidents like this where people have brought up claims of them having beaten them. The police officers [involved] should absolutely not be on active duty right now. There should be full public transparency. The young brother Nevin [Nevin Perkins] who set this [rally] up has a list of demands, and I am in favor of all of those. We should have a community board that is not tied to the political establishment here in Jersey City that should review the tape, review the incident, take statements from the people who were there, and decide on whether those police officers should remain on the force or not.

JCT: Tell me about your background.

HO: I was born in Hoboken at what was then St. Mary’s Hospital, now Hoboken City University. Raised in West New York.  I’m an attorney. I work in the anti-money laundering industry, so my career has been spent combatting corruption in our financial system, and I want to extend that to our political system really soon. I work for banks, I usually work for banks in Latin America. I’ve worked for two Spanish banks, and now I work for UBS [Union Bank of Switzerland] … I spend my days reviewing wires and checking to see if the financial activity underlying those wires looks legitimate or if it requires additional scrutiny which could end in what is known in the industry as a “suspicious activity report” that goes to the Treasury Department.

JCT: Where do you live know?

HO: I live in Union City. Lifelong resident.

JCT: How’s your campaign going?

HO: It’s going really well. In terms of the Covid, obviously our field operations have come to a halt. But at a time like this, campaigns are working off a digital-first strategy, and I think that that’s something that absolutely advantages a young, scrappy campaign like mine. My opponent doesn’t even have a website. If  you go to AlbioSires.com you’ll be directed to my fundraising page. He doesn’t have a website, he doesn’t have any kind of digital presence. He has neither a physical nor digital presence in the district. So, under normal circumstances a campaign like mine would be under a lot of pressure to overcome a financial disparity between an incumbent and somebody like myself. But at a time like this, those power disparities have really flattened because we’re all confined to the same digital spaces, which is the only real way to make any sort of real outreach.

JCT: When did you announce that you were running?

HO: In October of last year, so I haven’t been at this that long.

JCT: How do you plan to overcome the Hudson County Democratic Organization?

HO: The HCDO fancies itself incredibly powerful. But the fact of the matter is, they just rely on a subset of the voters to turn out regularly. If we can animate any segment of our population to take this race seriously and to understand that the future of our district is at stake: Organizations like Mom’s Demand Action are concerned about the future of our district, or environmental groups are worried about the future of our district … all sorts of activists in the immigration space, in all sorts of issues are really concerned about where our district is going. Our district outpaces the national average in so many metrics whether it be the uninsured rate, whether it’s the cost of housing, and if anybody in the district is concerned about where the future of our district is going, and if we can get them to turn out, the HCDO is not nearly as powerful as they think themselves to be.

Photo by Aaron Morrill

In 2020, 43 percent of Jersey City’s salary budget will go toward the police department, reported Ward E Councilman James Solomon recently via email and Instagram.

In the aftermath of the police killing of an unarmed black man, George Floyd, by a Minneapolis Police Officer and the ensuing national protests to defund the police, this is no insignificant statistic. But how Jersey City should change its own spending and policing practices depends on which residents and politicians one asks.

“It really is about your priorities, and the mayor’s priority is in essence that the police are the most important thing that the city [has] and therefore they need a vast majority of the funding, and I just think that’s sort of out of balance,” said Solomon.

In the 2019 Municipal Budget, the Jersey City Police Department received $106,169,591 for salaries and wages, and $1,410,339 for “other expenses,” totaling $107,579,930. Renovations of police district buildings were budgeted to be $58,200,000.

Community programs, such as the Summer Food Program, which provides nutritious meals and snacks for children in low-income areas, received a budget of $711,126.

To Solomon, who represents the Downtown Jersey City neighborhood, “defunding the police”  means reallocating funds to anti-violence initiatives and to health and human services.

“For me, we need a strong police department, and at the same time, we need a strong, well-funded community that is specifically working on anti-violence initiatives for the community,” he said.

“We should fund recreation opportunities, we should fund better health services in the communities. Our police in essence have become a part of our first responder team to address homelessness, and I think that’s a big mistake because it’s not what they’re trained to do, and it has the potential to result in more negative outcomes. We should have trained outreach teams, and Jersey City has a trained outreach team, but it’s underfunded.”

Jersey City resident John Hines wants funds reallocated, too. But he also wants more community involvement from police officers.

“I don’t think the solution is defunding them, I think the solution is taking the allocated money and putting it [in] other places like back into the community,” he said. “If you look right now you have police on every corner in this town but most of us are afraid of them. Some of these cops will be on the same corner for months and months and nobody will even know their name.”

While Solomon and Hines may think of defunding the police as simply reallocating funds, Jersey City teenager A’dreana Williams disagrees.

“I think the term ‘defunding’ the police is used so that it can ease people into the idea of abolishing the police because anybody who can understand what’s happening to black people in this country and black people on this earth [can] understand that defunding the police is not enough, and we need to abolish the police,” she said.

Williams, an 18-year-old recent graduate of McNair Academic High School and former member of its Black Diaspora Club, explained that police reforms alone are not enough because the very structure of policing in the United States is oppressive.

“It’s an oppressive structure that cannot exist in order for true liberation to be,” she said.

According to Williams, McNair students are forced to go through metal detectors to enter the school and are then scanned with a handheld wand, given an identification card proving that they were students, and called by numbers.

When one of her friends was sent to a juvenile detention facility, he reported back that in terms of security apparatus, there was little to no difference between “juvie” and high school.

Compared to the massive resources dedicated to security, McNair has only one nurse to attend to the entire student population. According to Williams, the school used to have two, but one of them got laid off due to “cuts to the budget.”

So, what would Williams like to see from the Jersey City government in regard to policing? For starters a formal apology for “what happened on Bostwick Avenue,” referring to the May 6 fight on the street in Greenville that was widely criticized for the police’s use of pepper spray and batons. Beyond that, Williams would simply ask for less policing as a whole and for certain officers to be retrained to use their talents in different roles — community organizers, social services, etc.

“If the mayor prioritized us black people and his black citizens, he would say ‘There’s nothing I wouldn’t do to fix this problem. No matter how much it costs us, we will fix this issue because not only is it a Jersey City issue, it’s an American issue,” she said.

It’s an issue that will be discussed in the coming months.

Much of the June 12 City Council meeting was devoted to the subject of reforming the city’s police department. And at the urging of Council President Joyce Watterman, the council just voted 8-1 (with Councilman Richard Boggiano abstaining).to form a committee to examine a variety of different police procedures.

Boggiano did not respond to a request for comments.

But Jersey City is not monolithic in its criticism of the police.

Resident  Norman Hart favors reallocating money from the police toward after-school programs and the greater community but he is sympathetic toward the police and the purpose they serve.

“I feel we need to get rid of the bad cops within the community, but I feel like all police aren’t bad, and police should still have their job, because if we defund the police then how are we going to stay safe,” he said.

Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop agrees.

“Our officers serve as mentors, most of them live in the city; they are coaches, they do positive work. I don’t understand this defund the police conversation as we can invest more in social services for sure without defunding public safety,” the mayor Tweeted.

Flyers have been circulated around the city that urge residents to contact Mayor Fulop and not allow defunding, saying the Jersey City Police Department is “filled with heroes” and that the “city is safe because of their work.”

The source of the flyers could not be determined.

Then there’s a comparison with Newark, NJ, since its population is only six percent greater than that of Jersey City. Newark’s 2019 police department budget was $155,000,000 — 45 percent higher than Jersey City’s. That makes Jersey City’s public safety budget appear small.

As for Williams, a self-described “black child desiring to be prioritized,” the hope remains that local government will take heed of the overwhelming call for fundamental change.

“We need to start investing in a government that cares [rather] than a government that punishes,” she said.